DISD and the Bilingual – ESL Crisis

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Bilingual Exam Study GuideAt one point in the late spring when Mike Miles was making the rounds of DISD, he was asked a general question about the large number of bilingual and ESL students that attend school here. Rather than comment on how he might want to strengthen the Dual Language program or review the ESL program or say anything substantive about the needs of limited English proficient (LEP) students, he bizarrely responded that he was learning Spanish through a computerized course – as if to say that the host of complex learning challenges faced by our thousands of LEP students could be simply addressed by hooking them all up to Rosetta Stone and forgetting about them!

Even stranger than Miles’s response was the lack of follow-up on the part of the press. By all indications, DMN and the rest were satisfied with his non-response. Unfortunately, this pattern of benign neglect has persisted over a number of administrations. Under Hinojosa, the number of Spanish-surnamed cronies increased, but the support for bilingual and ESL instruction languished. During much of his tenure the Multilingual Department had no leadership. Not only has implementation been inconsistent, but the very programs have changed drastically every few years: traditional bilingual, modified bilingual, Dual Language. By the way, in order to be successful, Dual Language programs are supposed to be implemented for all students. True to form, DISD uses it only for LEP students.

Then there are the curricula. The Journeys English Language Arts curriculum is very challenging even for native English speakers. Elementary bilingual students are expected to cover the same amount of Journeys curriculum in two days that their native-speaking counterparts do in five! On the other three days of the week they are to master the equally challenging Senderos Spanish Language Arts curriculum. In a classic example of “spray and pray,” bilingual teachers are told to cover as many as five separate and self-contained math programs in English: Reasoning Mind, Drops in the Bucket, Problem Solver, Calendar Math, as well as the adopted MacMillan curriculum. In stunning disregard for basic language acquisition, Math instruction for monolingual Spanish kindergartners must be conducted in English with no translation allowed. Math, you should know, has a higher vocabulary loading than reading or science. No wonder, then, that LEP students have trouble with math problem solving well into elementary grades and beyond!

The bilingual and ESL teachers have been left to fend for themselves at the mercy of their principals, some of whom understand and support their mission, most of whom do not. Some elementary bilingual teachers have been told to conduct their classes only in Spanish in order to insure high scores on the Logramos test, then turn around and quickly, quickly push English so that the students might do well on English writing test. Forget sensible instruction for proper English and Spanish language acquisition.

It is important to acknowledge the effects of resentment and even bigotry on the part of some monolingual teachers and administrators. Many, like Miles, simply want to wish away the complex problems posed by LEP students. “Just teach them English! That’s what the Cubans, Vietnamese, [name your favorite immigrant group] did and look how well they have done!” Unfortunately, anecdotes aside, studies of immigrant communities going back over a century show that there are many linguistic losses suffered by first and second generation immigrants. Without targeted language support, especially in academic subjects, many simply fell between the cracks.

What we face in DISD is a ticking time bomb of poorly educated LEP students who are illiterate in both their home language and English. It is a terrible waste inflicted by the benign neglect of a succession of administrations. Added to our other difficulties, the impact of these students on our academic performance will be unnecessarily negative without serious, consistent remediation. Not all the problems with bilingual and ESL instruction have been touched on. With over 25% of DISD students designated as LEP and another substantial percentage “exited” from that designation, the front-line teachers who are certified in bilingual and ESL instruction should weigh in on potential solutions. Please give us your best thoughts on where we as a district stand and how we should proceed.

Editor’s Addendum:

An excerpt from the Final Evaluation of the Dual Language, Transitional Bilingual Education and Esl Programs: 2011-12 (Rosemary Garcia-Rincón EA12-126-4):

“Based on the data presented in this report however, there is a concern with the implementation of the Dallas ISD Dual Language model (the Gomez and Gomez 50/50 Dual Language One- and Two-way instructional models). Each instructional component of the one- and two-way models is crucial to the success of the DL program, yet there seems to be lack of conformity to the appropriate implementation process of these models in varying degrees by campus.”

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13th Year
13th Year

On my elementary campus, I was told that bilingual students must have a bilingual teacher for all content areas, even content that is taught in English (math).   I assume specials are exempt from this rule. This is apparently a TEA edict that DISD was not following consistently.  Am I misinformed?


Retired Librarian
Retired Librarian

True story: At my very large Hispanic elementary school, we had a first grade, Asian teacher.  As I walked past his room, I heard the following: "Aw ri, erbody, cou wi me--- Wha"  Translation: "All right everybody,count with me-- one."  How is this helping the already shaky language sills of our kids?

retiredteacher
retiredteacher

Thanks fir the heads uo in the time, Aztec Warrior. 9:00 P M. tomorrow. Wonder if they'll honestly poetray Rhee, or will it be a whitewash? Hooe there is some honesty about the damages done by high-stakes testing. I had. a former student write about being accepted into TFA. She is excited about it. I didn't know what tonsay other than congratulations, She's a nice young woman and definitely is bi-lingual. I don't know if she'll be in elementary or upper grades. Wish it were a regular. teaching prigram rather than TFA.

ffsandgd
ffsandgd

your school didn't get the memo?

 

fedup2here
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I know this isn't the right forumn to post, but the school I work at has not announced ANYTHING about the 45 minutes rescinded.  I also know that many schools started this NEW POLICY BEFORE winter break, yet OUR school continues to work the regular 45 minutes extra, PLUS what we do at home!! What gives????

disgruntled
disgruntled

That's the Miles SOP.  Unclear orders + a strict adherence to contradictory regulations = successful teachers.  If you can't do the ever shifting mafs, you're ineffective and not engaged.  Duh.

 

You probably suck at Power Point with cheesy video clips with technology we'll never have access to in our rooms too.

 

#badstartrekrefernce

retiredteacher
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Check the Washington Post today for an article concerning a Frontline program alleging cheating during Michelle Rhee's tenure In D. C. schools. Oh that the "great reformer" be brought down to be the charlatan we have suspected her to be or perhaps people were so threatened by her that they cheated. People's sitting in a room changing answers on the yearly standardized test doesn't bode well for the "reform" movement. I imagine it will be deemed that it was all the fault of the employees (teachers/principals) but never the fault of the movement itself and the pressure created by high-stakes testing.

Persona non grata
Persona non grata

HMS Raging Maniac; Captain's Log: 1-7-13 Enough of this vacation mandated by the Admiralty. 1st Luietenant MRS. DOLLO has been ordered to get all hands below and chained to the oars. Finally back on course toward the conquer of Moby DISD: my nemesis.

Shirley You Jest
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Some of my ESL students are more English-proficient than my Gen Ed ones.  Not all English-speaking homes use standard English. 

 

On a semi-unrelated note, in that beginning paragraph of the article up there, FMM's response to the question about LEP students is very peculiar.  His response would almost indicate that he hasn't a clue!   Is that not odd for a superintendent to answer that particular question in such a manner?  It reminds me of that movie 'Bladerunner'. 

13th Year
13th Year

 @Shirley You Jest I, too, have some 5th grade LEP students who are more proficient in English than some Gen-Ed students.  These students are the successes--by 5th grade, bilingual/Spanish students should be able to learn(and respond) equally well  in English and Spanish, as I recall from a Gomez y Gomez training a couple of years ago. 

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retiredteacher
retiredteacher

@frustrated teacher, I've heard the same thing you spoke of many times. Part of our problem in Dallas is that we had and continue to have a huge influx of Spanish speakers into our elementary schools, and the number of dual language teachers is very limited. In order to find teachers who spoke Spanish, we recruited teachers from other countries, and while their knowledge of Spanish is good, often their knowledge of English is not sufficient to teach BOTH languages. I know that is not an answer anyone wishes to hear, but I think it is a reality in the district. I never was involved in ESL or with English language learners, so I am certainly no expert on the complicated issues so many of you have written about. Do you think that the District's not really following the prescribed program is the biggest issue? If so, that should be able to be fixed, but what to do about kids having to take tests in English before they are ready? What can be done about that locally when the state has decreed that kids take the test in English before they are ready to to so? Surely other districts such as San Antonio, Houston, and Austin have similar difficulties. What are they doing to address the problem?

mik534
mik534

 @retiredteacher  @frustrated Sorry, my earlier response got prematurely posted...this is what I meant to say:  To tack on to what you're saying....There are teachers that are so uncomfortable with English, that they hardly teach it.  My current students have on-level or above-level scores on the Logramos (a spanish test) from their previous year (2nd grade), but dismal scores on their ITBS math (problem solving)--this requires reading/interpreting/comprehension ability.  They don't have a strong enough grasp on the English language because I believe their lower grade teachers have been relying too heavily on spanish and ignoring the english.  Everybody at the school seems to know this, too (except for the dimwitted administration).

mik534
mik534

 @retiredteacher  @frustrated To tack on to what you're saying....There are teachers that are so uncomfortable with English, that they hardly teach it.  The kids  have on-level or above-level scores on the Logramos (a spanish test), but dismal scores on their ITBS math (

mired by mike
mired by mike

 @retiredteacher  @frustrated There's nothing that can be done locally when the state sets the standard. Only activism at the state level can help change that. Everyone- San Antonio, Houston, Austin- is in the same boat on this one.

 

frustrated teacher
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 @mired by mike    Actually, if you look at the state standards for bilingual education, you would see that Dallas ISD goes over & beyond what is required...you can thank Michael Hinojosa for that.

 

mired by mike
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 @frustrated teacher Yes. It is sad and defeats both students and teacher. Some of the kids really come a long way- from never reading and writing in their own language to constructing basic informational paragraphs in just a few months in English. They learn to sound out words by reading. We recognize their accomplishments in the classroom and then tear them back down by giving them tests they just aren't ready for.

mired by mike
mired by mike

 @frustrated teacher I just mean the state testing requirements =) I have no idea what happens in bilingual/elementary at all- just know that we get em in high school and they've never held a pencil before, we're expected to test them with STAAR anyway as soon as they enter English I/ESL.

frustrated teacher
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 @retiredteacher  

 You are right in that the administration went out & heavily recruited teachers from other countries & Puerto Rico.  My question is, why couldn't you find those teachers here? How easy is it to follow the prescribed program when the teacher is not proficient in English, themselves? You can't...If the administration & MLEP did their jobs, popping up to see if teachers are following program, then maybe we could see some changes for the better in the true implementation of the program. As for testing LEP students in English, as a member of LPAC for several years, that student is supposed to be in U.S. schools for a certain number of years, and before the administration of any test, the LPAC committee is supposed to come together to determine the language the student will be tested in, at least that's how it works on my campus at the elementary level. I'm not sure of the secondary process, but by that time the required number of years in U.S. schools has been met in most cases.

BlueBonnet
BlueBonnet

 @frustrated teacher  @retiredteacher The answer is that so many teachers who are from the US cannot pass the bilingual test. So often, they only speak Spanglish and not proper Spanish. I have known many people who thought that they spoke Spanish because they are Hispanic, yet were not aware that the ll makes a y sound or that the ~ above the n changes the sound. That is why we need to A) recruit through Spanish departments in colleges, or B) continue to recruit in colleges in Spanish speaking countries.

Retired Librarian
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 @retiredteacher  @frustrated When I mentioned this on another thread last week, I was really slammed.  Thanks for jumping in the boat with me.  It is a HUGE problem that everyone just wants to ignore. 

mired by mike
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 @retiredteacher  @frustrated This is directed at Retired Librarian- speaking the truth is not wrong- but I know that I really took offense to your earlier post on this thread. Most ESL teachers at the secondary level that I know are NOT afraid of success or "teaching themselves out of a job." If anything we're scared as hell that we're not doing enough- CEIs, TAKS, STAAR.  I have no idea what goes on in middle school and in elementary- but in high school we are racing against the clock to get our kids up to par so they can graduate. My colleagues and I, like many others, give up our time after school, on Saturdays, during the summer, etc- just to ADVANCE our kids. 

 

It's disheartening to work so hard and hear such things.

 

Retired Librarian
Retired Librarian

 @mired by mike  @retiredteacher  @frustrated Like you, I only know what went on at my level, elementary.  While there are good bilingual teachers, in my school, a very large elementary in NW Dallas, they were greatly outnumbered by teachers who could not speak fluent English or who spoke with such heavy accents that they could not be understood.  These teachers are not helping our students and unfortunately are sending students who cannot do anything in either language to you in secondary schools.

frustrated teacher
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   @Retired Librarian  I don't know why you were jumped on for telling the truth, shame on them...I will speak the truth, no matter how unpopular it may be because I know how high the stakes are.

 

frustrated teacher
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The only thing that has not been touched upon in this discussion are the bilingual teachers, themselves.  I have attended bilingual/dual language training, where in a room of 40 participants, only 3 had full mastery of the English language. Even on my campus, the bilingual teachers either use prepositions wrong, or don't grasp the totality of the English language at all.  Why is there any surprise at all that bilingual students aren't mastering the language when they don't have a good model?  This is what frustrates me most, that many find taboo to talk about, but it's the truth.  I have taught these children the English component of the program, and they come to me at 8 & 9 years old, not able to spell "I" or "me" in English.  This is a serious HR issue, and a serious administrative issue when you can't find an educator to place in front of children who are competent & literate in both languages they are "supposed" to teach.  If one is not comfortable in something they are not proficient in, of course they're going to resort to Spanish only.

Persona non grata
Persona non grata

Silly Rabbit! The ONLY thing that matters is slavish adherence to MRS. DOLLO!

Persona non grata
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Whoa! Hats off to Diane Birdwell for redefining "pushback" in her reader response to the refererenced DMN editorial!

 

http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/20130104-editorial-the-issues-well-push-for-dallas-in-2013.ece

Beer in Hand
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 @Persona non grata Brave or not, she just might be looking for a new job after this. Did anyone else notice the admission they make that Duncan influenced the hiring of Miles for DISD---in the piece, it pretty much thanks him for that. Yeah, thanks Arne, salm dunk, bro. 

Sentinella
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@Beer in Hand@Persona non grata

 My "liking" that comment was with regards to the Arne Duncan portion. I did notice that, and was appalled, though not surprised. Hopefully the BELO people are name dropping more than anything else here. I say hopefully because it is a truly terrifying thought that the US Secretary of Education might have considered Miles a worthy enough candidate to have really made a case for him. Their agendas are parallel, certainly, but one would think that Duncan would want to distance himself and the Obama administration from the scorched earth that was left in Colorado. (On second thought, maybe the "Reform" camp wanted to try to eclipse that unfortunate episode in educational history by giving him a second chance? shudder...)

 

When Arne came a-callin', he did not grace MM with Race to the Test monies. I hope that sent a message to Miles. In Miles' mini-convocation for new hires (many of them TFA,) the only person he quoted in his cornball presentation, beyond dudes from Armageddon or whichever testosterone-rich movie clips, was Duncan. Hopefully Duncan is now starting to catch on, and wisely if discreetly distance himself from this time bomb. If not, we really are all doomed. 

 

Sentinella
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 @Persona non grata Well then, allow me to add another word that comes to mind: jettison! Does anyone else out there think (or dare to dream) that this week's Board meeting this week, in which the audit is released (is it not?) could actually produce the collectively-desired result? I know people have gotten away with a lot in DISD and kept their jobs, but can't someone trip him up on a blatantly illegal and non-negotiable detail? I'm still a fan of pursuing the lack of fingerprinting for his cronies -  allowing people who have not had criminal background checks free access in and out of schools full of children. (Shrugging) hey, they got Al Capone on tax evasion, didn't they?  

Persona non grata
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Nnnnnoooooooo! Why did you have to use "time bomb"? That's now how I picture him! His true character is now in the table for all to see: 1. Lie about searching for cabinet talent and then hiring friends. 2. Breach of contract by acting as superintendent. The question for the BOT is no longer "if" but "when. This man has forfeited all public trust by listening to,and operating for, his out of control ego. NEXT!!!

Persona non grata
Persona non grata

Anyone know the percentage of teacher vacancies that are for bilingual? If it's high, as I suspect it is, where are we going to get these specialized teachers? Or, is there a special platoon of bilingual teachers in the TFA storm troopers?

Pancho Villa
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 @Persona non grata Bilingual teachers in TFA? Jajaja, the last count was 1 in a 100. The one went to FWISD. I know her by name. Keep dreaming!

abcteacher
abcteacher

 @Persona non grata Since there is no extra money, they will import bilingual teachers from all over the world.

Bilingual_Teacher
Bilingual_Teacher

 @abcteacher  @Persona non grata Its not that simple. Bilingual teachers require H1-B visas to work in the U.S. and those are limited every year. 

Pancho Villa
Pancho Villa

 @Bilingual_Teacher  @abcteacher  @Persona non grata Yes! that is a 1/2 fact. Puerto Ricans are full blown gringos in country. They do not need visas. Now, how hard is to get Puerto Ricans in Dallas ISD. The do not last long at all. The last recruiter that left Dallas ISD "Black hole" HR was a master recruiter. He was great recruiting PR's teachers but he is gone. Oh well! This is Dallas ISD any way.

FamilyGuy
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This story along with all the others only lead me to believe that Miles' days are numbered.  I suspect he will have till summer, and that the blond bombshell was tossed to the side like a cheap one night stand only signifies that he is desperate.  Shirly Issam is gone.  Ditto with Alan King, Conger, and how many other top guys with big salaries who left. . .rats jumping ship before the water level rises too high.  Too bad for the kids and families.  Another super will go.  We in DISD will be the butt of jokes yet again.  Another year will go by before this lazy BOT picks another super.  Another year of rudderless leadership where every DISD tribe vies for power, good staff get steamrolled and quit and we "graduate" one or two more classes of barely literate people wholly unprepared for colllege let alone much else.

Shirley You Jest
Shirley You Jest

Family Guy, are you suggesting that in order for the district to avoid even MORE embarrassment, that FMM should be allowed to stay around longer?  

Sentinella
Sentinella

 @Shirley You Jest I think Family Guy is just assessing likelihood. For me even Wednesday night isn't soon enough. Please, universe and any/all applicable deities, let there be some kind of horrible, unhideable surprise in that audit! For the sake of the children, and those who teach them best when not told what crap they (we) are on a regular basis, while being encouraged/forced to become actual crap via MRS DOLLO! I realize this is the ESL thread, but it's all interconnected.

Persona non grata
Persona non grata

We can only hope that he is as hunkered down (more so!) as the 10,000 teachers under his "leadership".

Exceeds and Proud
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Can someone please explain to me why LEP students cannot be tested for learning differences in Spanish? Why do all the SpEd students always have to be in Gen Ed? Isn't it conceivable that a student may be LEP and SpEd?

TeacherClosetoRetirement
TeacherClosetoRetirement

 @Exceeds and Proud

 They can be tested....but only after 2 to 3 years of being in school, lots of documentation,  evaluations and a miracle or two. I finally had a student tested bliingually after two years who I knew was "different" from the first day. The evaluation? He was only mentally retarded in 4 domains, not 5, therefore did not qualify for SPED! A lawsuit waiting to happen? I think so! But with our poor, disenfranchised parents (in this case, an older sister), that initiative will not come from them.  And, yes, there are SPED LEP students.  Inevitably, they are the ones who were identified and tested in elementary school. A few students qualify in middle school, but I don't see very many. Secondary? Forget it!  And my student who didn't qualify? He's in his fifth year and the tenth grade. Because he's a sweet, hard-working boy, he gets a few credits here and there. He will age out and fade away......

Beer in Hand
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 @Exceeds and Proud  Please do not limit LEP to Spanish speakers. A popular misconception, but we have kids who speak over 60 different languages.

 

It is a state law, because I think they fear labeling immigrnats as SpEd, when they just don't understand us yet. HOWEVER, YES, they can be both, of course. Especially the refugees form East Africa and Southeast Asia, where they were traumatized---have PTSD from rape, murder, homelessness/statelessness. Ironically, we teachers, the experts, can sense the problems, yet we are not the ones who make the laws. Sometimes, these things don't get diagnosed until they have failed and failed and failed.

Persona non grata
Persona non grata

If that's true, talk about a lawsuit begging to be brought against DISD!!!

dallasres
dallasres

 @Persona non grata

 There were TAKS M in Spanish, but not TAKS A. I believe STAR has neither.  This is a state issue, not a district one.

dallasres
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 @Persona non grata

 Yes LEPS can be tested for learning differences and be serviced.  I have two in my class this year.  I have had many in years past.  The problem is that many of our special ed. teachers are not bilingual so it is difficult to fulfill their needs.  As a teacher though, it is up to me to continue communication with the special ed. teacher, adhere to their IEP,  continue differentiated instruction and continue to close the gap.  I also see that many who test these kids chalk it up to a language problem and not a learning issue.  Are all these kids being identified?  NOT!  Are those being serviced correctly?  Apparently not.  So there must be a tremendous amount of non-compliance.  I believe more so in the middle and high schools.  Face it, there are out of compliance issues everywhere.

Persona non grata
Persona non grata

 @dallasres You are correct, of course. In my haste, I took "cannot be tested for learning differences" to mean that LEP children could not receive the services of SPED. Sorry.

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